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Post by Ryan on Feb 5, 2010 11:50:19 GMT -5
Yea, my boss does that. I just watch like a dummy on a couch and leave it like that. |
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Post by milimama on Feb 11, 2010 19:55:25 GMT -5
Okay, being snowbound for a week means that I'm catching up on my television. I'm finally back in the game on Lost. Funny thing . . . I watched the 2nd airing of the series premiere & was amused to see that ABC has posted little pop-ups along the bottom of the episode . . . kinda like Lost for Dummies. It's a little disconcerting but on the other hand, helpful to remind you just where you saw what & how genius the writers of this show can be when it comes to dropping clues & weaving the elements together.
So Locke is really gone & replaced by the smoke-monster. Oooh. I do NOT like that. I have to assume that the dead/alive again Sayid is going to be Jacob, especially as Jacob told Hurley just where to take him without extending the same courtesy to the dying Juliet (sniff . . . how I love her).
And the parallel world is a whole new mystery! Desmond was on the plane rather than at the bottom of the hatch & the entire island was at the bottom of the ocean. Criminy! So did the island sink in the 1970s? That explains how Desmond can be on the plane, but it doesn't explain why Hurley's reality is so different. Why would he go from being freakishly unlucky to the luckiest man alive? Has anyone else's reality changed?
And what about the missing coffin? I presume it disappeared during the turbulence & is therefore island related, meaning that the island may be submerged, but it still has a power. Agree or disagree?
Finally, what do you think, "It worked" meant? Did Juliet get a glimpse into the alternate world as she died? If Desmond wasn't on the island, neither was she, I'm presuming. Maybe she'll meet Sawyer again in the future.
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Post by Ryan on Feb 12, 2010 9:42:40 GMT -5
My take on the parallel life going on:
Juliet said "It worked," so I'm assuming it did. Only it did not work the way they had hoped. But brilliantly, it worked in a perfectly logical way for how time travel would work (IMO) if it did.
See they were hoping to go back and do something in the past to change the future. And they were assuming that time travel worked cyclically so that they would always come back to change the future. The problem with that theory is that you have to have the original time you enter that circle and then you can be in that circle forever.
Well, the writers actually accounted for that entrance. That entrance was the first time they crashed. So all that stuff (all 5 seasons) actually happened. But when they detonated the nuke, they broke the circle. And the alternate "happy" life was their original trajectory but now with no Dharma. So Desmond is not there. Hurley wins the lottery (but with non-cursed numbers since the cursed ones come from the island) and is happy and lucky.
And the island reality is the one as if they never traveled back in time. So both are happening. I'm just curious if they are going to try to have those realities collide.
Anyway, this is super hard to explain without pictures, but hopefully it makes sense. This is my take anyway.
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Post by milimama on Feb 12, 2010 17:36:16 GMT -5
You don't need to use pictures . . . most of your thoughts are mine as well. But I'd forgotten that Hurley's lottery numbers originated on the island! Of course! But it still seems odd because I thought it was the "magic numbers" that caused him to win in the 1st place & I'm not sure that I buy he'd win regardless.
And yes, I put the same meaning on Juliet's message, but she'd HAVE to be seeing that it worked to say that . . . so I'm hoping that her mutterings about coffee & going dutch were her glimpsing the alternate reality as she was dying . . . so who was she asking to coffee? It wouldn't surprise me to see her in the final episode, running in Sawyer on the street or something in the parallel world.
What about the missing coffin? To me that is the clearest indication that the island is still exerting influence in the parallel world . . . and how odd that Ethan was Claire's doctor. Remember that Aaron was considered some kind of a danger child even before the plane crash. That was WHY that guy put her on the plane . . . at least I always thought so. So there is a lot to explain there.
Finally a question: When did Jacob give Hurley the guitar case? Was it in California or after he died. If it was California, & the message in the Ankh was to save Sayid, that would mean that he knew everything that was about to go down. I swear, this show is starting to make my head hurt. Maybe I need to only watch the repeats w/ the dummy explanations on the bottom. ; P
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Post by milimama on Feb 13, 2010 9:16:09 GMT -5
Another point! Ethan was born on the Island! Juliet delivered him in the 70s, remember? So that means that he was an infant/toddler when the bomb went off in the 70s. Did he escape? . . . I seem to remember an evacuation. Regardless, his becoming a doctor & just happening to be THE doctor to be available to Claire seems highly suspicious.
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Post by Ryan on Feb 13, 2010 10:58:51 GMT -5
Yea, this show is all over the place but pretty brilliantly done. I don't know how people wrap their heads around all the hints and symbolism that they obsess over online. Just watching it is enough to make my head spin. I can't wait to get the complete series on Blu-Ray to rewatch.
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Post by Ryan on Feb 15, 2010 10:56:40 GMT -5
But I'd forgotten that Hurley's lottery numbers originated on the island! Of course! But it still seems odd because I thought it was the "magic numbers" that caused him to win in the 1st place & I'm not sure that I buy he'd win regardless. Hurley also said he was the luckiest man in the world and nothing ever goes wrong for him. Didn't he have some bad luck before the lottery? Yea, that is where he heard the numbers. So Dharma not happening would have to keep him from the mental hospital. Did we ever find out why he was there the first time? What about the missing coffin? To me that is the clearest indication that the island is still exerting influence in the parallel world Jack's dad's coffin? It could just be delayed like any other piece of luggage. Or it could be that Christian is tied to the island somehow. Maybe things tied (or that belong to) the island disappeared when the nuke went off? Finally a question: When did Jacob give Hurley the guitar case? Was it in California or after he died. If it was California, & the message in the Ankh was to save Sayid, that would mean that he knew everything that was about to go down. I swear, this show is starting to make my head hurt. Maybe I need to only watch the repeats w/ the dummy explanations on the bottom. ; P Yea, he gave it to him in the cab in LA before the nuke. Yes, this show makes my head hurt. |
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Post by archangel on Feb 15, 2010 12:02:04 GMT -5
My wife and I just started watching the first season on Netflix. We watched the first 8 episodes of season 1 this weekend. It was hard to stop watching. Lots of catching up to do.
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Post by Ryan on Feb 15, 2010 13:21:23 GMT -5
My wife and I just started watching the first season on Netflix. We watched the first 8 episodes of season 1 this weekend. It was hard to stop watching. Lots of catching up to do. Don't pay attention to this thread until you're caught up. |
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Post by milimama on Feb 16, 2010 7:06:33 GMT -5
Hurley also said he was the luckiest man in the world and nothing ever goes wrong for him. Didn't he have some bad luck before the lottery? Yea, that is where he heard the numbers. So Dharma not happening would have to keep him from the mental hospital. Did we ever find out why he was there the first time? I'd forgotten so I wiki'd it.  It says that Hurley's weight is a result of compulsive over-eating after he father abandoned him. Later, a deck he & 20+ others were on, collapsed, killing 2 people & he blamed himself because of his weight . . . & THAT is why his mother put him in the institution. Since the lucky Hurley is just as heavy as the unlucky Hurley (to be fair to the writers, that isn't something they can control) we might assume by his weight that his father still abandoned him & possibly the rest as well. Yeah, but Jack's dad isn't a "thing," nor is he any more tied to the island than any of the living beings as far as I can see. I also have some issues with the 2 Lockes . . . because initially, as everyone, I thought the current Locke was a resurrected Locke. Then after discovering that is wasn't, I assumed it was at least his body. That explained for me, Christian Shepard, & to a lesser extent, all of the other "apparitions" of deceased people on the island. Now that I know there are TWO Lockes, I have to confess that I don't get the point of the dead body. How is it even necessary? Ouch. I need to think less, I suppose, & just sit back & enjoy the ride. Let's hope the writers know what they're doing. So many of my favorite shows drop off with less than satisfactory endings, including another favorite of mine by Abrams (Alias). I really hope they tie it all up in a way that works. If so, I'll call this one of the best shows of all time. |
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Post by milimama on Feb 17, 2010 18:14:29 GMT -5
Not sure how I feel about last night's episode . . . it wasn't one of my favorites, though my appreciation for dark humor did enjoy Ben's eulogy.
So parallel world Locke is different from the original in the sense that he is still with Helen & apparently gets along with his father (since she mentioned him being at the wedding.) How on earth does this last comment sync with the fact that Locke is in a wheelchair because his father tried to kill him?
Then Locke sees Hurley, Rose, & Ben . . . & it just didn't interest me all that much. The only mystery I suppose is what Ben is doing there. Like Ethan, he was a kid on the island at the time of the detonation . . . did he too get away? I thought he was under the care of the others after being shot by Sayid. Hmmmm . . .
I keep thinking that the parallel world is going to hook me in at some point, mainly because the writers aren't stupid & they wouldn't string us along just to watch the ordinary.
As for the cave & the names in chalk . . . I'm not even speculating. I'll just watch, though the "candidate" angle made it seem again that Jacob was completely prescient in what would happen. Notice also, that Kate wasn't one of the names assigned a number.
What did you think & who is the kid? Younger Jacob? Older Aaron?
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Post by Ryan on Feb 22, 2010 11:43:14 GMT -5
So parallel world Locke is different from the original in the sense that he is still with Helen & apparently gets along with his father (since she mentioned him being at the wedding.) How on earth does this last comment sync with the fact that Locke is in a wheelchair because his father tried to kill him? I was wondering this too As for the cave & the names in chalk . . . I'm not even speculating. I'll just watch, though the "candidate" angle made it seem again that Jacob was completely prescient in what would happen. Notice also, that Kate wasn't one of the names assigned a number. I still hope we get more explanation of the numbers other than "Jacob likes numbers." What did you think & who is the kid? Younger Jacob? Older Aaron? Younger Jacob |
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Post by arlinda on Feb 23, 2010 2:42:05 GMT -5
Anybody like Mad Men???
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Post by milimama on Feb 27, 2010 7:54:06 GMT -5
I still hope we get more explanation of the numbers other than "Jacob likes numbers." Yes, we'd better! That kind of error would be exactly one of those disappointments that ruins my entire perspective of the show. The numbers have been important since the beginning . . . part of the reason for it all & entertwined in everything. "Jacob likes numbers" would be cheating. I'm hoping smoke-Locke was just being evasive when he said that. I just watched the latest episode . . . I can't decided if Jacob is good or bad. I've always thought the smoke monster was bad & he's killed too many to be fully redeemed (I still miss Eko, sniff!) & I suppose that Jacob, because he's seems more caring & is the opposition to the smoke monster has automatically fallen into the "good" category. Now the lines are less definite. Last night's manipulation of Jack didn't really seem right & I'm not convinced that he didn't want the lighthouse smashed out for his own reasons. I'm feeling less like the 2 power players are bad vs. good & more like they're 2 greek god types, both capable of being selfish & acting impulsively. Also, new Claire is creepy. Damn! |
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Post by milimama on Mar 5, 2010 13:03:33 GMT -5
Aiiiiii!!!! Just watched the latest. Island Sayid is creeping me out as well. Though he's always been portrayed as a torturer/assasin, it's always seemed to me that he was a product of his circumstance (in Iraq) or doing so for the protection of others. His killing of the Japanese temple dweller was purely for his own purposes . . ack. It bothered me more than the others.
. . . not sure how I feel about all of this. They can explain it away as Locke's body now being inhabited by the smoke-monster & Sayid & Claire being consumed by darkness . . . but so far, this is very unsatisfying for me. I don't like the people I've bonded with being played like chess pieces, trashing the opinions I've had of them in the past.
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It says that Hurley's weight is a result of compulsive over-eating after he father abandoned him. Later, a deck he & 20+ others were on, collapsed, killing 2 people & he blamed himself because of his weight . . . & THAT is why his mother put him in the institution. Since the lucky Hurley is just as heavy as the unlucky Hurley (to be fair to the writers, that isn't something they can control) we might assume by his weight that his father still abandoned him & possibly the rest as well.