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Post by eliotness on Apr 29, 2010 0:03:48 GMT -5
Of course, how come I didn't think about that before ? Any newspaper who would speak about torture in Gitmo is a "leftist" newspaper...  No, any newspaper that speaks of torture is not a leftist newspaper. The Washington Post just happens to be a Liberal rag, as is the San Francisco Chronicle, and many other newspapers in the United States. I wouldn't know if it is a Leftist newspaper or not. I haven't read it enough to make an accurate interpretation. Don't tell me what to talk about. Typical Liberal, doesn't believe in free speech. You don't know what your talking about. We have millions of Leftists in the Uinted States. Barrack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Al Sharpton, Michael Moore, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, to name but a few. Like you would know. Are you trained in the law to understand the legal definition of torture? No, I am attorney and a Law Enforcement Officer. Afraid not. It doesn't meet the legal definiton of torture according to U.S. law. [/u][/quote] The Geneva Convention is not relevant here. The Geneva Conevention only applies to lawful cobatants, e.g. uniformed soldiers, not terrorists. Therefore, as all of the detainees at Guantanamo Bay are terrorists and not members of any military organization, the Geneva Convention does not apply. Let me know when you acquire a Doctorate of Jurisprudence and have passed a Bar Exam in one of the many United States, and then maybe you can voice a valid argument regarding something is torture under U.S. law. |
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Post by lepatte on Apr 30, 2010 4:19:05 GMT -5
No, any newspaper that speaks of torture is not a leftist newspaper. The Washington Post just happens to be a Liberal rag, as is the San Francisco Chronicle, and many other newspapers in the United States. Yeah, you're right, they should've called it "The Pravda" Don't tell me what to talk about. Typical Liberal, doesn't believe in free speech. You don't know what your talking about. We have millions of Leftists in the Uinted States. Barrack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Al Sharpton, Michael Moore, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, to name but a few. Obama leftist ? Clinton leftist ? You got to be f*** joking me... Believe me, from here, they're not leftist at all... You want to know what a real leftist is ? Check for Olivier Bensancenot on the net... That is a real leftist... Obama on the left... ;D Like you would know. Are you trained in the law to understand the legal definition of torture? Because you need a training to understand that those acts are torture ? Well, go training again then because I think that you missed a few classes ;D Afraid not. It doesn't meet the legal definiton of torture according to U.S. law. “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control; (2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from— (A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering; (B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality; [/u] (C) the threat of imminent death; or (D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and (3) “United States” means the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States. Well I think that your law speaks for itself... It was, indeed torture... The Geneva Convention is not relevant here. The Geneva Conevention only applies to lawful cobatants, e.g. uniformed soldiers, not terrorists. Therefore, as all of the detainees at Guantanamo Bay are terrorists and not members of any military organization, the Geneva Convention does not apply. Article 4 defines prisoners of war to include: 4.1.1 Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict and members of militias of such armed forces 4.1.2 Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movementsGeneva convention applies here Let me know when you acquire a Doctorate of Jurisprudence and have passed a Bar Exam in one of the many United States, and then maybe you can voice a valid argument regarding something is torture under U.S. law. As I said before, I don't need any doctorate to recognize a torture case... |
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Post by eliotness on May 2, 2010 2:54:48 GMT -5
Yeah, you're right, they should've called it "The Pravda" Probably true. The majority or main stream media in the United States lean extremely far to the left. The major television networks (ABC, CBS, and NBC) are very Liberal. They are all leftists. Olivier Besancenot is also a leftist, more accurately a Communist. He sure isn't a Conservative. His values are in the realm of Marxism. One cannot be anything but a leftist when you supprt Government run health care, state run banks, and a state run automotive industry. I didn't miss any classes and it is evident from your post that you have a poor grasp of United States law. [/u] (C) the threat of imminent death; or (D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and (3) “United States” means the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States. Well I think that your law speaks for itself... It was, indeed torture... [/quote] To begin with, sleep deprivation, nudity, exposure to cold, do not fall within that definition. Secondly the law only applies on U.S. soil. Guantanamo Bay is not on U.S. soil, thus the law does not apply. Thirdly, you don't know what has been done or not not done in Guantanamo Bay, as you have not witnessed it, as I have not. Personally, I could care less what they do to the detainees in Guantanamo Bay. They could execute them for all I care. That is the main difference betwen a Conservative and a Liberal. Liberals always favor protecting the rights of the guilty and the evil, as you are doing here. Conservatives favor protecting the innocent. This isn't organized resistance. It is just terrorists. It is obscene that you would characterize this as organized resistance, in the same manner as the resistance against the Nazis in World War Two. It is obvious that you support terrorism. Apparently you do, as this is not torture, but as I said supra, I have never met or heard an intelligent Liberal in my life. Most Liberals are border line retarded. If the United States banned voting for every person with verifiable IQ below 100, it is likely 95% of the Democratic Party would be unable to vote. |
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Post by oldguard on Jun 24, 2010 12:10:26 GMT -5
*sigh* I guess being one of the soldiers over in Iraq detaining people and runnig missions in Baghdad would make me a little better informed than our left friend here. Been over there twice and I have never seen anything of what he is talking about with this money to locals for innocent people...hahaha. That is a new one though. I have heard some pretty ridiculous stories from people who have never been over there, but this one made me chuckle for a couple of minutes. It was very creative.
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