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Post by mediawarrior1461 on Mar 26, 2010 21:58:47 GMT -5
The biggest reason I hate this bill, this bill is the biggest piece of pork addled BS ever. I would like to know hoe much of this 1000 page document actually is about health care? There are a few good things in this bill but they are buried by unrelated things like the GOVT take over of the student loans and various favors to democrats just to get them to vote for this bloated POS.
NOV 2010 is going to armageddon for the dems, this bill's passage was a watershed moment for many independents when they finally after years of flirting with the GOP and conservative ideas finally jumped headlong and finally embraced them.
Rush is correct, Obama will be ruin to his entire party.
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Post by rachaelfabulous on Mar 30, 2010 14:26:43 GMT -5
bean, America's freedoms are being striped from us... you don't think that desperate times don't incite these actions? Right or wrong, America's voice is not being heard and there are consequences to those that are ignoring them. If you think conservatives are the only ones outraged by this bill then you should remove your head from the sand!
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Post by wolfknight on Mar 30, 2010 15:43:51 GMT -5
Let's see. Windows smashed, coffins on lawns, and other acts of vandalism, yet no arrests, and no evidence of who did what. And you want to blame conservative talk radio hosts.
Karl Rove was verbally attacked, and an attempt by someone from Code Pink (who is NOT a police officer) to put him in handcuffs for "war crimes". This took place at what was supposed to be a book signing event. Video is online.
The Tea Party Express bus was egged by Harry Ried supporters. Video of this is also on-line.
Death threats (actual honest-to-God threats, and none of this panty-waisted, no offense ladies, "I felt threatened" crap) against Eric Cantor. Arrest made.
Who do we blame for that, Beans? I guess by your "logic" Kieth Olberman, Rachel Madcow, and other liberal mouthpieces can all be held accountable, huh?
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Post by beancounter on Mar 31, 2010 20:10:16 GMT -5
You obviously do not listen to Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity. If you did, you would have not once heard them advocate violence against anyone. Political defeat? Yes. Physical violence? No. I'm not accusing the right wing hosts of specifically encouraging their listeners to carry out acts of violence or vandalism. Nonetheless, it's undoubtedly true that with their extreme rhetoric and deliberate distortion and misrepresentation of the facts regarding Obama's health care plan and other Democratic initiatives, they've at least played an indirect role in inspiring such behavior (as have firebrands in Congress such as John Boehner with his disgraceful rant on the day the bill passed). Verbally attacked? That's funny - I thought there was a certain principle known as the right to free speech in this country. The handcuff thing sounds like a symbolic act of protest - it's not as if Rove was in any danger of physical harm. Wow - egging, The type of thing kids used to do on Halloween night years ago. Somehow, I don't think that bus was about to topple over from the force of those eggs striking it. Those must be condemned in the strongest terms, but it's an isolated case not typical of the left in general. |
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Post by cowtipper on Apr 1, 2010 22:19:58 GMT -5
Alongside reading, writing, and arithmetic, economics should be taught throughout grade school. One of the reasons ignorami so willingly buy this legislation and legislation like it is because they do not understand the implications governmental actions of this magnitude will have on the economy, and in turn, themselves. For anyone who has taken even a basic economics class, the effects should be easy to see.
This sort of bill wreaks havoc on the basic tenets of supply and demand. When you put a governmental cap on the price of something--anything--you will end up with a) a shortage of the good that has been capped and b) lower quality out of the goods that are still able to be produced.
In addition, bills like this also do a number on macroeconomic forces such as inflation. A basic rule of thumb I have come to live by is this: every time the government imposes something new or higher (such as this new bill, or when they raise minimum wage) inflation is guaranteed to occur. It's all a cycle, it works in a big circle. Those negatively affected by the government action have to raise their costs or prices to cover the lost revenue or productivity the government has caused them.
There is no such thing as a free lunch was a phrase popularized by Milton Friedman, and it rings true. This bill make look fantastic on paper, but someone is going to have to pay for all of it eventually. And that someone will be the American people.
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Post by wolfknight on Apr 8, 2010 15:32:24 GMT -5
You go point by point and try to dismiss each item that I put up as acts of political intimidation perpetrated by the left, and insist that any death threats were from single actors, and NOT representative of the left in general.
But the "distortion" and "rhetoric" by right wing hosts are DIRECTLY responsible for acts of vandalism performed against Democrat lawmakers. Okay, let's play.
Broken windows happen all the time, with no specific thereat implied. It's just destructive behavior by (mostly) kids. That it happened to a political office is unfortunate, but doesn't represent a damn thing other than a random act, without an arrest or claiming of responsibility of a right-wing zealot.
Hateful terms tossed around falls under the first amendment just as much as disruption and slander at a book signing does. Major difference: one was caught on tape, the other hearsay. After all, it's not like the lawmakers were ever in any risk of physical harm. I mean the Capitol Police were RIGHT THERE (and, coincidentally, did nothing to deal with those who allegedly shouted epitaphs).
Coffin on the lawn? Harmless pranking, if a little out of season. I have a neighbor who puts imitation gravestones on his lawn for Halloween. Somehow, I doubt anyone did anything to FILL that coffin, and since there was nothing to link it to a person or group, to say that it was a threat seems a bit of a stretch.
How much of this idiotic game do you want to play, Beans? Acts that are (supposedly) performed by agents of the right, and blamed by you on the rhetoric of talk radio hosts, lack anything even close to evidence as being acts of intimidation or threats versus videotaped instances of agents of the left seeking to intimidate political opponents, hurling objects at them (an egg, thown at a moving vehicle is classified as assault, and not a "harmless prank"), with the most extreme case involving the arrest of a man who made direct threats against a Republican.
In what way do you really think you have a leg to stand on in continuing this discussion, Beans?
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